It seemed that there is no unending support from NED to ‘help’ Hong Kong’s democracy. They have brought Martin Lee & Anson Chan with meetings in Washington and Congress in order to get their 15 minutes of fame and go back to destabilize Hong Kong some more.
In 5:15 American Lackey Anson Chan says: “We are facing an identity crisis in Hong Kong, particularity in the younger generation, people born after 1987 which never known alive than Chinese sovereignty. Hong Kong people pride themselves that we have an identity a separate from the rest of China, we have core values to the rule of law, a open transparent and accountable government, and protecting rights and freedoms under British colonial rule and is protected under the constitution. But today we see all these values eroded.”
Clearly Mrs Chan who has worked under the old British Colonial rule agrees with this and want to go back the ‘glory days’ in old Colonial days. As far as I know, the Chief executive was appointed from someone few thousand miles away, not from people in Hong Kong.
Yes, we have people like Martin Lee who complains about direct democracy where they can vote for their own Chief Executive, however, he didn’t mention that under Hong Kong’s basic law, that he/she is elected by a 1200 people election committee. Also, Hong Kong is following more like UK, Australia’s democracy where people don’t directly vote for their leader. FYI, Martin Lee formed the ‘Democracy’ party after it was known that Hong Kong was going to be handed over to China.
FYI, it didn’t take long for the American Lackey duo to appear in Western funded ‘Asian’ organizations.
ersim says
For Anson Chan to say with a straight face the younger generation in Hong Kong area “facing an identity crisis” boogles the mind. I still cannot wrap my head around the fact there are Asians, regardless of what country they are from, including South Asians, suffer from the inferiority complex of being “honorary whites”. It’s even worse where they “were” a British colony. What gives???
pug_ster says
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2255712/Hong-Kong-protests-Thousands-protesters-streets-demanding-greater-democracy-waving-British-colonial-flags.html
Ironically this frightening trend is going on in Hong Kong. Young people who are lived under the existence of post Colonial rule, are waving British Colonial flags and seems to have some kind of decadence towards it.
ersim says
I think it’s the fact the youth were children when Hong Kong was given back to China not that long ago. It seems they still have the British colonial mindset as “young adults”. It does makes sense to me why this “identity crisis” . After over 150 years of British colonial rule in Hong Kong, it’s a matter of decolonizing the youths’ mind.
Machiavellianism says
Hong Kong could be next Ukraine.
Here is an excellent link that explains about how the west was behind the curtain has been propagandize mass of people to protest against their government around the world..
How To Cook Up a FAKE “People’s Uprising”
This will clarify how and why the demonstration around the world are happening today. In Geopolitik, national interest is always above morality. All these “virtue” words like freedom, democracy, etc.. we hear from the west is a tactic of divide and rule.
ersim says
It’s no “coincidence” these Western funded political destabilization campaigns under the guise of so called NGO’s are “happening” when the decadent and corrupt West are in the verge of an economic collapse, in particular, the U.S. These tactics are a delibrate and calculating method to undermine the emerging economies and to trigger regional conflicts as a global distraction while the West is sinking deeper and deeper into their economic cesspool.
raffiaflower says
Meanwhile, on that “self-ruled” island, wantchinatimes gives the game away in an editorial: Sunflower Movement May Not Ensure 2016 DPP Victory:
“If Washington believes that the DPP’s taking power will heighten tensions between Taiwan and China and become an additional variable in the China-US conflict, it will be difficult for the DPP to win the presidential election.”
Gawrrsshh!!! You mean, the benign friendly USA can actually influence or decide who wins an election in a “sovereign country”? Who Knew????
pug_ster says
@Machiavellianism
My guess that this won’t likely happen. Hong Kong is a capitalist powerhouse and any kind of political destabilization would spell disaster for the western companies in there. Second, Ukraine has alot of far right skinheads whom use violence in order to get their ways and guns are illegal in Hong Kong, so they would not overpower the police as easily. My guess perhaps these 2 American Lackeys might plot something like the Sunflower movement in Taiwan to embarrass China but not to overthrow the government entirely.
Sleeper says
@Machiavellianism
“Peace through power”.
In the Crimea’s case, the Russian disabled most of Ukrainian Garrison before doing anything else. In Libya Gaddafi finally lost because of his army leaving him behind, while in Syria Assad has held the ground for more than 2 years because of keeping a loyal (or private) army.
Therefore the existence of military is the key and the last factor of shifts of political power. The PLA has garrisoned HK for many years and the garrisoned force has been growing stronger silently (At the very beginning of 1997, these soldiers were only allowed to carry light weapons such as assult rifles, light machine guns with them, while nowadays the garrisoned force has a small naval fleet and prepare to build a new naval base ). They can handle the worst situation happened in HK. In addition, the headquater of Guanzhou military region is also nearby. I don’t think any sorts of “protesters” can fight against guns and tanks.
pug_ster says
http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2014/04/17/the-tiananmen-square-museum-china-doesnt-want-to-see/
Looks like American backed money is going to build a ‘museum commemorating’ the June 4th incident in Hong Kong.
Sleeper says
@pug_ster
Such a damned place should never have existed. Lies can become truths after being repeated 1000 times, again I hope our government to do some house clean. It’s bad to let go like this.
pug_ster says
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/toddlergate-beijing-paper-slams-hong-kong-mock-poo-protesters-neo-nazis-1446722
I wonder if America funds these morons who protest about public urination.
Black Pheonix says
@pug_ster
There are so many racist elements to this story:
(1) It’s toddlers who are doing it, because well, they are toddlers with small bladders. It’s not like mainland adults are doing it all over the streets.
So, it’s a stupid exaggeration.
(2) HK has notoriously few public bathrooms. Even Western tourists complain about it. (Yes, I was in HK twice, I was advised to use bathrooms whenever I can).
(3) HK tour guides and businesses are extorting mainland tourists. http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2010/07/16/hong-kong-dont-shop-dont-come/
That’s not isolated. They target mainland tourists for their business, lure them in with low prices, and then guide them to shopping places to pressure them to buy shit they don’t need.
And this HK lady even had the nerve to get upset, when the tourists wise up and don’t want to buy the junk.
Yeah, mainland tourists already spend a lot of money per person all over the world, but that doesn’t mean that they are stupid or will buy any thing offered to them.
some HK shops won’t let you use bathroom unless you buy their useless junk. (That happens in NYC too).
(4) Go to NYC, subway smells like pee. Enough said. Tons of public peeing (even by adults) in NYC.
So, I don’t see this as a “mainland problem”. I see this as a HK problem.
(a) does HK have laws against public urination? even by toddlers? Because lots of places actually do NOT have such laws. (Vancouver Canada for example, recently let off an adult male who publicly pee’ed on a monument, because they don’t have any laws against that). http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/01/14/komagata-maru-memorial-peeing-charges_n_4597148.html
“”Simply stated, urinating in a public place is not a criminal offence in Canada, regardless of the context, unless the elements of an offence are present as set out the Criminal Code. Those elements were not present in this case,” said Montague.”
If HK doesn’t have such a law, then HK has a problem. It’s “democratic”, why can’t it even pass a law against public urination?
(And if they want to get draconian on toddlers, that’s their debate).
(b) HK has a serious education problem, since some HK people can’t seem to understand the difference between adults and kids.
pug_ster says
http://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/row-05012014130648.html
Looks like American Propaganda is looking to capitalize on this.
@Black Pheonix
I don’t understand why Hong Kong Politicans who knows that this is getting out of hand and don’t have the backbone to do anything about this. There’s a difference between protesting the Chinese government and plain racism towards the mainlanders.
Black Pheonix says
@pug_ster
I have a feeling that PRC officials want to let this ugliness play out in HK, for multiple reasons.
(1) It’s not all HK people who share this type of racism. There are many mainlanders who moved to HK in the last few decades. They are fairly well to do and they have friends who know them.
This kind of prejudice in HK is going to slowly turn many HK people off. Even many expats are now viewing this as really an indication of racism in HK.
It’s an opportunity for people to get a sense of the kind of self-righteous ugliness in HK “democracy”.
(2) It also exposes that ugliness to mainlanders.
The firestorm in mainland social media is building up against these racists in HK.
That sort of nullifies “democratic symbols” in HK, (like that new June 4th Museum).
HK is a place that hassles mainland tourists and their kids. That doesn’t say any thing good about “democracy”.
What mainlander would want to go visit the 6/4 museum now?
(1 guy in China online suggested that MORE mainland parents take their kids to HK to pee on the streets. I thought it was very ironic.)
It would be more ironic, if they went to the 6/4 museum and pee’ed outside of that.
*Seriously, this situation is actually reminding me of an episode of anti-Chinese racism in US.
In San Francisco, the Whites stereotyped the increasing number of Chinese immigrants as unclean rats, who lived in crammed rooms.
So, the city of San Francisco passed a local ordinance, making it a crime for people to live rooms less than some set square footage area. It sounded very “health and safety” related, but it was actually used to target ONLY the Chinese, because there were others who also violated that law, but the police only went after the Chinese immigrants.
So SF area Chinese protested, by civil disobedience. Chinese by the hundreds, purposefully violated the law, and then turned themselves into the SF police.
Soon, the SF jails overflowed, to the point that the SF jails themselves were violating the LAW of the (minimum sq feet per person)!!
And then, the Chinese sued the city of SF in court, forcing SF to eventually rescind the ordinance.
*Thus, I think mainlanders should mount a protest in HK with similar effects.
(1) as I stated before, I don’t even think HK has a law against public urination. (The mainland Chinese couple of that video were arrested, but for fighting with that HK camera guy, not for their kid’s public urination).
So, if there is no such laws, why are some HKers hassling mainlanders?
That’s just plain racial profiling.
(2) if there is such a law, then mainlanders should protest by civil disobedience, because clearly they are not going after other groups of people.
That’s also racial profiling.