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Examining The Non-Existent “Rich Chinese Hunting Polar Bear” Story

Recently a story by Peter Simpson of Daily Mail UK made waves in the conservationist circle, that wealthy Chinese businessmen, as many as 100, are paying upwards of $80,000US to hunt endangered polar bears into extinction with this headline, “Rich Chinese Thrill Seekers Paying £50,000 for ‘trip of a lifetime…’ to kill endangered polar bears.”

The Daily Mail then followed up with an OpEd with the temerity to question how cruel the Chinese race is: “are the Chinese the cruelest race on earth?

Unsurprisingly, calls to hunt Chinese and other visceral reactions ensues: here, here, here.

Surely, if this is true even I would have to admit the Chinese must be the cruelest race on earth
– EXCEPT – this story seems to be fake. This is yet again another example of the “Collective Defamationmelektaus has written about not too long ago on this blog.

The primary source for the Daily Mail story, a safari hunting guide named Scott Lupien who operates a Beijing subsidiary of US-based Safari Club International, disputed quotes Peter Simpson attributed to him as distortion and fabrication:

On March 5th, 2012 I received a phone call from a Daily Mail reporter calling himself Peter.

I told him that I have never been on a polar bear hunt, and to my knowledge, neither has a single Chinese person.

To my surprise, Peter took what I said and twisted it to create a sensational story

In order to sell papers and make big profits, he created a story about something that doesn’t even exist (Chinese hunting polar bears)

So the fact is not one polar bear hunting package has been sold in China, none the less any Chinese going on Alaska and killing polar bears.

So how did a rumor grow into such a serious indictment? Seems 52safari did make it in Chinese media’s recent focus on growing popularity of overseas adventure traveling, and unscrupulous journalists like Peter Simpson just twist the facts into a sensational story that espouses the dominate media narrative of “Evil Chinese”.

Here are some additional facts that was ignored by the article:

1) Chartered polar bear hunts are legal under Canadian law and have been going on for decades in Canada. The size of arctic polar bear population and allowed harvests are under strict management by the Renewable Wildlife Economic Development Office.

2) The Inuit people in the arctic region hunt polar bear as sustenance, and by treaty rights are entitled to yearly hunts within Canadian government’s wildlife management parameters.

3) Chartered polar bear hunts purchase hunting rights from the Inuit people, and hunt the polar bears under Inuit customs accompanies by local guide. The hunted polar bear is given to the Inuits for food, and the pelt is purchased from the tribe with hunting license, trophy fees, GST, export fees all paid by the hunters.

4) Other incomes derived by these Alaskan safaris for the Inuits include equipment rental, transportation, lodging, taxidermy and tannery services.

5) Most of the “big game hunters” are WASP Americans; I scoured Google Images for trophy hunt photos, and not one person is Chinese-looking (here, here, here, here, here, here, and here.) I challenge anyone to come up with a photo of a Chinese hunter posing with his polar bear trophy.

While I do not believe endangered species should be hunted, even considering the complicated issues of Native American treaty rights and preservation of indigenous culture. However, when the media chooses to demonize the Chinese, the issue becomes muddled and the false indictment detracts from the cause. Even if the intent is to bring awareness to the plight of the polar bears, any sympathy I had for the creature is now diminished by the biased reporting.

What seems to be truly endangered here is journalistic integrity.

  1. March 13th, 2012 at 17:28 | #1

    All hunting is cruel. There’s no doubt in my mind that the racist denunciations come from those who only want to vent their racist inclinations using some pretext (which the despicable Simpson has provided).

    The article is also no surprise. The Chinese are some of the most discriminated and slandered people in the world by the very people who are the actual perpetrators of the crimes (white people) they allege at the Chinese.

    Here in the states bear hunting is common. I can get a bear hunting license and shoot bears during the season if I want. It’s not a big deal in the US. No one, sadly, bats an eye.

  2. March 13th, 2012 at 18:29 | #2

    BTW, thanks for that good find. It clearly shows the despicable lengths white people (and in the case of the other DM article, British-Indian) are willing to go to slander us. It shows their genocidal tendencies are always near the surface and could always turn into actions if we are not vigilant.

  3. zack
    March 13th, 2012 at 19:09 | #3

    so is Simpson going to be prosecuted or sued over this blatant racist attack-which could even qualify as a hate crime?
    please tell me there’s legal action being undertaken by Chinese groups and others against the daily fail and mr Simpson.

  4. Baz
    March 13th, 2012 at 19:22 | #4

    Seems the Chinese businessmen cancelled the bear hunt when news of it became known…

    http://52safari.com/

    Check out the site for yourselves to see what this bloodthirsty bunch are up to.

    ” It shows their genocidal tendencies are always near the surface and could always turn into actions if we are not vigilant..”

    What do you put Wayne’s genocidal tendencies down to?
    And whats with the deleting and blocking of my comments. I thought you guys could tolerate different opinions, no?

  5. March 13th, 2012 at 19:24 | #5

    Hate speech is outlawed in England. Inciting racial violence and genocide is a crime under both British and international law. The other writer Pandya needs to be prosecuted too. If anyone is in England, they should find a human rights organization willing to file a court order that this is racial slander and inciting violence against a group.

  6. March 13th, 2012 at 19:29 | #6

    @Baz Seems the Chinese businessmen cancelled the bear hunt when news of it became known…

    You need to gain better reading skills. “Chinese” businessmen never booked polar bear hunting trips with the company (American company). You can’t “cancel” a trip you didn’t book.

    Nevertheless, due to the negative response that we have received from this article and the fact that we have had no demand from Chinese clients to book a polar bear hunt.

    http://www.52safari.com/article-222-1.html

  7. Baz
    March 13th, 2012 at 19:37 | #7

    Yeah of course the hunting group organizer would be the people to ask for impartial information…..

    totally unbiased of course

  8. March 13th, 2012 at 19:40 | #8

    @Baz

    Idiot, what better source is there for who has and who hasn’t booked a trip? Besides, the original article is based on an interview between the writer and that person.

  9. March 13th, 2012 at 19:50 | #9

    @Baz

    Your “granny” was a fool. Must run in the family.

  10. Baz
    March 13th, 2012 at 19:57 | #10

    I guess that means, as usual, you guys will do nothing. How impotent. Oh, that’s right you’re exposing media bias. But guess what? No ones listening. Laughing maybe, but not listening.

    Other searches reveal that a Chinese group were booked to hunt polar bear, but cancelled due to the publicity. Who knows the truth…

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/story/2012/03/09/north-chinese-polar-bear.html

    Interesting how you guys go on about it being racist though, when China is a multi- ethnic state made up of 56 different ethnic groups. The article doesnt single out one ethnic group so your allegation is nonsensical. I shouldnt be having to teach you guys this though, shame.

    LOL

  11. Baz
    March 13th, 2012 at 20:15 | #11

    “Even if the intent is to bring awareness to the plight of the polar bears, any sympathy I had for the creature is now diminished.”

    WTF??? Hahahahahaha. It’s the polar bears fault, even they are conspiring against us!!!

  12. jxie
    March 13th, 2012 at 20:23 | #12

    First, Charles, great job.

    Did Pandya really put up that question, “are the Chinese the cruelest race on earth?” Heck, even if nobody else had hunted any polar bears in the past, and some rich Chinese illegally hunted them in Canada, how exactly can you go from this non-existent Point A to Point B about Chinese being the cruelest race? This no matter how you slice it, it’s hate speech.

    The more important question is, Daily Mail being the 2nd largest newspaper by circulation in the UK, days later there is no apology and no take-down by the newspaper. Obviously vast majority of the readers have no problem with such hate speech in their newspaper, what does it tell you about the UK as a nation?

  13. Baz
    March 13th, 2012 at 20:29 | #13

    True, Jxie, especially since the Chinese are not a race. Makes no sense.

  14. Wahaha
    March 13th, 2012 at 20:34 | #14

    I guess that means, as usual, you guys will do nothing. How impotent. Oh, that’s right you’re exposing media bias. But guess what? No ones listening. Laughing maybe, but not listening.

    *********************

    and the bias of your media is bringing west down, because of it, people will not focus on the real problems of their system and their believe which are the result of brainwashing by “free” media.

    Don’t believe? say something that was not taught by your media.

    and read this :

    http://privacysos.org/node/509

    Now, use your brain, ask who run the media ? what makes you believe them like a son to his mother? because they call each other “well-respected”?

  15. Wahaha
    March 13th, 2012 at 20:45 | #15

    Did you grow up in China ? I guess not.

    I never believe the media in China since 1976.

    and I dont believe the media in US since 1998.

    What is funny is that you read chinese newspapers, you can hear both sides of story; but when you read newspapers in US, there is only one voice, I have to search internet to get the WHOLE picture.

  16. pug_ster
    March 13th, 2012 at 22:27 | #16

    Personally, I wouldn’t make a big deal out of this. MailOnline is nothing but a run of the mill tabloid. It creates any sensationalist headlines so people would buy their paper.

  17. Wayne
    March 13th, 2012 at 22:29 | #17

    Whites, particularly the Anglo Saxon variety, are the most self-righteous, hypocritical race on earth.

    The fact is whites are the ONLY race which indulges in killing animals for so called ‘sport’. Chinese or other races very rarely kill simply for fun.

    Sarah Palin shoots deer and wolves (basically same as a dog) from a helicopter and boasts about it, and gets points from the US electorate for it. Fucking sick shit, particularly from a rich country.

  18. Baz
    March 13th, 2012 at 22:31 | #18

    100% agree with the Pug. This is a trashy rag in general, and panders to peoples basest prejudices.

    I, like Charles Liu, hold the polar bears mainly responsible.

  19. Baz
    March 13th, 2012 at 22:33 | #19

    “The fact is whites are the ONLY race which indulges in killing animals for so called ‘sport’. Chinese or other races very rarely kill simply for fun.”

    There you go shooting your cause in the foot again….please aim for the head next time.

  20. Rhan
    March 13th, 2012 at 22:35 | #20

    @Wahaha

    “I never believe the media in China since 1976.”

    If you born earlier, i guess you would say 1956 🙂

  21. Wayne
    March 13th, 2012 at 22:35 | #21

    Baz: what’s your beef against the Chinese people? You married a chinese pussy, surely you should be happy with that. I don’t mind the fact you married a chinese pussy, unless of course you are actually a white man, and not a Maori man as you say you are.

    If you are the former I wish you and your family an early death.

  22. Wayne
    March 13th, 2012 at 22:46 | #22

    @zack

    Yeah exactly. A blatantly racist, hate mongering, fear mongering article that would have done Goebbels proud.

    But in a way it is a good thing. It brings to light the utter contempt, hatred, and racism that whites have towards Chinese.

    Any Chinese who harbours any illusions about what whites really think of us and would like to do to us better fucking wake up.

  23. Bridge
    March 13th, 2012 at 23:10 | #23

    OK, let me be the devil’s advocate today. Would Mr. Simpson feel alright if they are brown or black bears being killed by the Chinese?

  24. Wayne
    March 13th, 2012 at 23:19 | #24

    @Bridge

    hahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahh brilliant!

    Of course not! In fact Mr Simpson would be smiling from ear to ear if they were yellow bears!

  25. Baz
    March 13th, 2012 at 23:22 | #25

    ” It brings to light the utter contempt, hatred, and racism that whites have towards Chinese.”

    And yet the Chinese keep queuing up around the block to emigrate to predominantly “Anglo” countries….

    What gives?

    Maybe once they read this article and Waynes comments this will stop….One can only hope!

  26. March 13th, 2012 at 23:29 | #26

    Charles wrote:

    Surely, if this is true even I would have to admit the Chinese must be the cruelest race on earth

    Even if the story were true, why must we smear the whole Chinese nation / people (I wouldn’t call it a race) on the account of a few rich business men?

    You found a few pictures of white men hunting polar bear, should we deem the whole white race the cruelest race in the history of mankind? I happen to know a few pacifist and vegetarians who are white, does that make the whole white race the most peace loving people in the annals of mankind?

    As I wrote in China Hacking, Poisoning, and Piracy, such group labeling – usually for the bad – makes no sense.

    On the other hand, the rest of the post is very good – by showing the broader context of such hunts. If the Inuit people have a legal right to take a certain number of polar bears – with that number presumptively sustainable – and the Inuit people have decided to make some extra money by recruiting foreigners to make the kills, and especially whereby the local people lead the trips and keep most of the spoils, what is wrong with the Chinese (and other rich people around the world) joining in the hunt? It’s a win-win in my view.

    As for whether hunting is cruel, I myself think it is cruel. I don’t hunt. I don’t fish. However I do eat meat and wish I were a vegetarian. But I wouldn’t apply my standards to others. I know several people whom I respect who are vegetarians and wouldn’t kill spiders as well as others who do hunt. But I personally don’t see anything universally averse about hunting. Other animals hunt each other, after all…

  27. Wayne
    March 13th, 2012 at 23:43 | #27

    And yet the Chinese keep queuing up around the block to emigrate to predominantly “Anglo” countrie

    Because you dumb fuck, people have always gone places for ECONOMIC reasons.

    Unfortunately this world is unjust, a legacy of colonialism and imperialism.

    If you live in the West you can work 1 hour and get a share of the world’s resources which is 10 x more than say living in China or India or doing same.

    And of course the wealth of the West was plundered off the East.

    For centuries white people desperately tried to find trade routes to the East. Because up until the 1820s to 40s, both China and India were vastly more wealthy than Europe and US combined. Getting their hands on the wealth of the East was what spurred the so called ‘Age of Discovery’.

    So non-white people in the West is just getting back a bit of wealth stolen off their ancestors.

    And if imperialism were to cease tomorrow, and the world economic order became more just, and white people would compensate and hand back wealth they stole off Africans and Asians over the centuries, then people would not feel theneed to go and live in the West.

    Look at this link. China and India were rich. Then whitey came along.
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5ko-n37P8OI/S_MfEgr-tWI/AAAAAAAAAZo/7b8haE2O3AQ/s1600/kh.bmp

  28. Charles Liu
    March 13th, 2012 at 23:44 | #28

    Fellas, the fundamental fact that belies the DM story is no Chinese has ever hunted Polar Bear. Even if the Chinese ever do it, the polar bear would have been hunted for centuries in the West, even long after the Chinese got rich.

    I’ll repeat my challenge – someone please come up with a photo of Chinese hunter posing with their trophy polar bear. I offer again the counter examples here:

    http://images.google.com/search?q=polar+bear+hunt

    You are well advised to start on page 20, cuz I’ve gone thru the first 20 pages already and I’m not able to find one Chinese polar bear hunter.

  29. Hong Konger
    March 13th, 2012 at 23:47 | #29

    I’m against hunting. But polar bear hunting is not illegal in Canada. It’s done by the Inuit and others. Polar bears are not listed as endangered. I think they have a lower category, like threatened species. Anyway, the CBC article laments the loss of business from Chinese hunters.

    I wouldn’t doubt that rich Chinese go on these hunts. I think anything expensive, exciting and rare attracts them. I’ve heard business associates brag about how they ate endangered species on trips to the mainland. If officials or tycoons were going, they would not post photos publicly to avoid publicity. Though the sensitivity among the public here would be on rich overseas trips, and not on animal welfare.

    I agree with Pugster – the Daily Mail is a low target. The article is awful, but the whole paper is an awful tabloid filled with celebrity gossip and other trash. It seems like everyone has sued them in the past, including celebrities and others. I think for a while there was backlash from the Muslim community about the Mail too. I’m not saying it’s right, but it’s what the Mail is known for.

    It makes me uncomfortable to see the whole white race compared to one idiot Daily Mail writer, in the same way that it makes me uncomfortable to see the whole Chinese nation compared to a few alleged hunters.

    Sorry to sound like a broken record, but we’ve got comments again wishing death on people, plus the same vulger terms about women. Can’t we discuss media and China without it?

  30. wayne
    March 13th, 2012 at 23:49 | #30

    @Allen
    Even if the story were true, why must we smear the whole Chinese nation / people (I wouldn’t call it a race) on the account of a few rich business men?

    Exactly. Rich white men throughout the world indulge in this sort of thing. But only if rich Chinese men indulge in this sort of thing, is their race called the ‘cruellest race in the world’

    Filthy drug trafficking white motherfuckers. When are these British white skinned pigs going to compensate China and India and Africa for centuries of colonialism? Dirty white skinned pigs.

  31. Waynes Doctor
    March 14th, 2012 at 00:00 | #31

    Wayne, I see you have run out of your prescription medication. Please get back to me ASAP, but this time I recommend doubling the dosage.

  32. Hong Konger
    March 14th, 2012 at 00:02 | #32

    Zack. I think the Chinese community in the UK should complain, and they could get an apology or retraction. Even if they don’t, it would still publicize the issue.
    Even trash tabloids have to be held accountable. I wonder if they would have run the same headline substituting the word ‘Chinese’ with ‘black’ or ‘Jew’ or ‘Muslim’?
    But after reading the op/ed, I doubt it would lead to a hate crime conviction in court. I’m no legal expert, but I think a newspaper has to go extremely far for that to happen, like a real incitement to violence or death threats.

  33. March 14th, 2012 at 00:08 | #33

    Hong Konger is absolutely right:

    Sorry to sound like a broken record, but we’ve got comments again wishing death on people, plus the same vulger terms about women. Can’t we discuss media and China without it?

  34. Charles Liu
    March 14th, 2012 at 00:10 | #34

    Baz :
    Check out the site for yourselves to see what this bloodthirsty bunch are up to.

    Not a whole lot different than rest of their Safari Club International counterparts WORLDWIDE. Like I said, people in the West have been going on safaris long before the Chinese got rich. Now that they can afford it, suddenly it’s news.

  35. wayne
    March 14th, 2012 at 01:11 | #35

    More incredibly racist claptrap from the Daily Mail:

    “Why the British are free-thinking and the Chinese love conformity: It’s all in the genes claim scientists”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113350/Why-individualism-free-thinking-genes-British-people.html

  36. Baz
    March 14th, 2012 at 02:01 | #36

    “Like I said, people in the West have been going on safaris long before the Chinese got rich. Now that they can afford it, suddenly it’s news.”

    People have been complaining about trophy hunting since as long as there has been trophy hunting, and there has been widespread complaints about it in the media for at least 40 years.
    Should Chinese trophy hunters be exempted from criticism because they are Chinese?
    Maybe it’s all news to you because you don’t pay attention..

  37. Wayne
    March 14th, 2012 at 02:12 | #37

    @Baz

    Chinese should not be exempted from criticism if the story is true.

    But even if the story is true, when was the last time white trophy hunters resulted in a headline of a major British paper: but are whites the cruellest race on earth

    Get it? Dumbass.

  38. Wayne
    March 14th, 2012 at 02:17 | #38

    It makes me uncomfortable to see the whole white race compared to one idiot Daily Mail writer, in the same way that it makes me uncomfortable to see the whole Chinese nation compared to a few alleged hunters.

    You miss the point entirely. The fact that the Daily Mail is a tabloid is not the point. The point is the Daily Mail has a wide readership and the Daily Mail knows that white people get off on this type of reporting. The Daily Mail has huge circulation.

    The other thing is this. Where are the equivalent newspaper stories in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Mainland China, Singapore or anywhere else in the sinosphere that would have a similar headline attacking a whole group of people? There are none. Because Chinese people simply do not get off condemning and trashing other races like Anglo Saxons do.

    The fact is you could not find the equivalent racism of that Daily Mail article in a Chinese newspaper–anywhere.

    This speaks volumes about the inherent racism of Anglo Saxons.

  39. Baz
    March 14th, 2012 at 02:31 | #39

    So Wayne, what are you going to do about it? Don’t be so flaccid man, take action!

  40. Wayne
    March 14th, 2012 at 03:11 | #40

    Who says we are not taking action. Its easy. I try and assault a white man a day in Hong Kong. One day I’m gonna push a white man in front of a bus, and then say it was just an accident —that he walked into me. Easy to do in Hong Kong.

    Other things I do is wreck relationships, stymie work colleagues, sabotage, and rip-off whites. Terrorize their children. Walk into interracial couples and smash them.

    All fun things.

    I try and live as Professor Derrick Bell advises: “I live to harass white folks”.

    Another thing I am working on is to start a race war between yellows and whites. One day when a truly patriotic chinese regime takes place in China we are going on a rampage against chinese traitor bitches, white men yellow fevered losers, and their mongrel offspring. We are going to smash their fucking heads in, and bury them fuckign alive.

  41. Baz
    March 14th, 2012 at 03:15 | #41

    One at a times isn’t enough man, you’re never going to make any progress like that. You need to be thinking much bigger!

  42. Wayne
    March 14th, 2012 at 03:17 | #42

    @Baz

    Sure. It is just for fun for now. One day it won’t be just for fun. You’ll know all about it then.

    星星之火可以燎原

  43. Hong Konger
    March 14th, 2012 at 05:41 | #43

    If anyone is in the UK, they could try this. http://www.pcc.org.uk/

  44. Jimmy
    March 14th, 2012 at 07:20 | #44

    What a nice revelation!

    Base on what Britains have done to people beyond the small islands they live, Britains are the most disgusting people on the planet.

    They murdered people to occupy other countries and colonized them. They spread all sorts of racist words. They portraited the world as dark as what are in their deep bottom.

  45. LOLZ
    March 14th, 2012 at 09:05 | #45

    I wouldn’t be surprised if some Chinese people are hunting polar bears, but if articles are going to bash people doing this sort of thing why bother to single out a nationality when Chinese are obviously not the only ones who do it? Articles like this one exposed the biased western media for what it is and that IMO is a good thing.

  46. Wayne
    March 14th, 2012 at 09:42 | #46

    The other point to make is this.

    Shooting an endangered animal is in fact no more cruel than shooting an animal that is not endangered.

    While the former may be more environmentally irresponsible than the latter, both are equally cruel.

    Whether it is a polar bear being shot, or say a cow, both suffer the same pain. The polar bear does not suffer more, because of regret that there are so few of them left around anymore.

  47. Charles Liu
    March 14th, 2012 at 10:04 | #47

    Baz :
    “Like I said, people in the West have been going on safaris long before the Chinese got rich. Now that they can afford it, suddenly it’s news.”
    People have been complaining about trophy hunting since as long as there has been trophy hunting, and there has been widespread complaints about it in the media for at least 40 years.
    Should Chinese trophy hunters be exempted from criticism because they are Chinese?
    Maybe it’s all news to you because you don’t pay attention..

    Go ahead show me any responses in the past that is the same in terms of visceral reaction. Go ahead show me fabricated polar bear hunting trips against the English, or “[blank] is the cruelest race” type comment.

    BTW, I forwarded the CBC article you cited to Scott Lupien, and his reply was:

    “I have no idea if there were actually any Chinese who had booked a polar bear hunt through someone else, but they certainly never did through me! As you have seen already, my response to this issue is available on my website. I seriously doubt that any Chinese had booked a polar bear hunt and subsequently canceled due to pressure from the media.”

    So the CBC’s insinuation I Love Hunting Club backed out from booked polar bear hunt in Resolute is also disputed by Scott Lupien.

    Again, if you wanna prove Scott Lupien lied, you’re gonna have to come up with a Chinese polar bear hunter. Where is this mystical creature?

  48. LOLZ
    March 14th, 2012 at 10:15 | #48

    Looking at news just now, I noticed that there is a story about people criticizing Donald Trump’s sons for animal cruelty after photos of their recent hunting trips in Zimbabwe were released. If a news article were to take story and instead of focusing on Trump’s sons stereotype all WASPs as cruel animal hunters, that would be simply pathetic and ignorant. Sadly this is exactly the way Western media stereotypes Chinese people.

  49. March 14th, 2012 at 11:28 | #49

    Would appreciate people giving links whenever possible. You don’t have to go look for links, but in the case of LOLZ at #50, for example (sorry, didn’t mean to single you out), if you already are reading online some article you are going to talk about here, why not share the link here?

    Here is one article I got when searching for trump’s story you mentioned.

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/donald-trumps-sons-to-peta-hunting-meat-was-donated-71407/

    @Baz #38

    People have been complaining about trophy hunting since as long as there has been trophy hunting, and there has been widespread complaints about it in the media for at least 40 years.
    Should Chinese trophy hunters be exempted from criticism because they are Chinese?
    Maybe it’s all news to you because you don’t pay attention..

    Note, the complain in the case of Trump’s son is on Trump’s son – or at most his immediate family. It’s not about New York, the U.S.A., or the white race… But when the Chinese businessmen are accused, it’s about the Chinese race…

    Got it?

  50. March 14th, 2012 at 13:39 | #50

    The dailymail is from a country that only recently outlawed the cruelest hunting practice in the world: fox hunting. This barbaric practice involves chasing a fox for days through the woods using trained dogs. Eventually when the fox is too tired or stressed to run any longer, it fights the dogs only to be ripped to pieces alive.

    These “people” are not like the Chinese, thoroughly barbaric and lying hypocrites to boot.

  51. BeyondTheRoad
    March 14th, 2012 at 14:18 | #51

    This is nothing new. The Chinese are oft portrayed as morally degenerate and subhuman in western media. Naturally, crazy things can happen in a country of 1.3 billion people, but with China every isolated incident is used as a means to paint every Chinese with the same brush. I recall the mass borderline-hysteria over the baby-in-the-road story. If this had happened in any other country it would have been construed as a tragic oversight and a fine example of the bystander effect, but when it happens in China it’s apparently symptomatic of the moral destitution of the Chinese people. In modern western eyes “the Chinese” seem to exist as some kind of monolithic, single minded entity, and it’s considered fully justifiable to judge them all on the basis of the actions of a few.

    That said, it’s a tad disappointing to see a few people in the comments here doing the same in regards to the Brits/white people. It’s best not to sink to the same level as these journalists, regardless of how insulting and angering their lies are.

  52. March 14th, 2012 at 15:19 | #52

    Notice that in all the comments that they focus on the Chinese businessmen and not on the white American CEO of the hunting club. Despite the fact that Lupien said he has never received any demand from a Chinese person for one of these polar bear hunts.

    http://www.52safari.com/article-222-1.html

    Nevertheless, due to the negative response that we have received from this article and the fact that we have had no demand from Chinese clients to book a polar bear hunt.

  53. March 14th, 2012 at 15:24 | #53

    It appears that the British are even more barbaric than I had previously stated. Fox hunting is still legal in N. Ireland according to wikipedia and it is widely tolerated (despite its official outlawing) in the UK.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_hunting#United_Kingdom

  54. colin
    March 14th, 2012 at 15:25 | #54

    Let’s see the facts.

    Peter Simpson and ABHIJIT PANDYA are not journalists. They are nothing but paid mercenaries in a war that uses media as a weapon. They are paid to spread an agenda, not truth and facts. The developed west uses culture and media as one weapon to ensure their supremacy and the current world order. Defaming an entire people and civilization is not something out of hand as long as they can get away with it. (and with no backlash in this instance, they appear to be getting away with it along with many other offenses).

    This article at atimes.com speaks partially to what is going on :

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NC09Ak03.html

    “One of the defining bifurcations of the future will be the conflict between information masters and information victims” the US officer assigned to the Deputy Chief of Staff (Intelligence), charged with defining the future of warfare, wrote in the US Army War College Quarterly in 1997.

    “But fear not”, he writes later in the article, for “we are already masters of information warfare … Hollywood is ‘preparing the battlefield’ … Information destroys traditional jobs and traditional cultures; it seduces, betrays, yet remains invulnerable. How can you [possibly] counterattack the information [warfare] others have turned upon you? [1] “

  55. Baz
    March 14th, 2012 at 18:35 | #55

    “Note, the complain in the case of Trump’s son is on Trump’s son – or at most his immediate family. It’s not about New York, the U.S.A., or the white race… But when the Chinese businessmen are accused, it’s about the Chinese race…
    Got it?”

    Umm, the reason its about Trumps son is because…..people know who Trumps son is. If it were about Jackie Chan hunting for example, then lets take a guess….it would be about Jackie Chan because people can identify him. Surely thats not so hard to grasp….
    You guys seem so full of impotent rage.

    And what do you mean by “Chinese race”?

  56. Baz
    March 14th, 2012 at 18:47 | #56

    “The dailymail is from a country that only recently outlawed the cruelest hunting practice in the world: fox hunting. This barbaric practice involves chasing a fox for days through the woods using trained dogs. Eventually when the fox is too tired or stressed to run any longer, it fights the dogs only to be ripped to pieces alive.”

    Ummmm…..so? The Daily Mail doesn’t represent Britain, so what difference does it make? You think that only media that comes from a country that doesn’t do anything wrong should be able to write stories about other people? This is absurd. The argument for an against fox- hunting has been raging in the media for years, so what’s the relationship between this and a story in some rag?

  57. Wayne
    March 14th, 2012 at 18:48 | #57

    Baz: what are you going on about?

    No one has objected to Trumps son’s being identified. And of course if it was someone famous they would also attract attention. Everyone knows that. So what’s your point?

    The point is why does hunting by white people not result in headlines such as “are whites the worlds cruellest race”, whereas hunting by Chinese people means the following headline “are chinese the world cruellest race”.

    That is white people are treated as individuals. The Chinese as a group.

    The bad actions of individual white people are not made to reflect badly on all whites.

    The bad actions of individual chinese people are made to reflect badly on all chinese.

    Unless you can show me the newspaper article where the race of Trump’s sons has been made an issue of, you are full of shit Baz.

  58. Baz
    March 14th, 2012 at 18:57 | #58

    Lots of hot air again Wayne. A few newspaper clippings doesnt not a case make, my little friend.
    Why you guys choose to read such low- class rags is beyond me…..though I can see it makes sense on some levels.
    Besides, its just an innocent question right? A bit like “Stan Abrams of China Hearsay – A Case of Pathological Bias?”

  59. Wayne
    March 14th, 2012 at 18:58 | #59

    Actually Chinese are no less supportive of animal welfare than whites. But because China is a developing country there is perhaps less awareness and ngos dealing with these matters. Human welfare has to take priority in a developing country.

    But public sentiments on animal rights in Asian countries are remarkably similar to those of European countries, according to polls even carried out by Westerners. 90% of Chinese agree with “we have a moral duty to minimise suffering to animals”, compared with 91% of British adults. This is remarkable because the Chinese are still so much poorer than British. If the Chinese had the same level of wealth as the British, it is likely we would be far kinder to animals than the British. Because Chinese simply are not into going out and causing pain to humans or non-human living beings for the sake of it. Unlike Anglo Saxons.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4357527.stm
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/72rr3xx

  60. Wayne
    March 14th, 2012 at 19:00 | #60

    In fact it is only whites who go out and shoot animals for ‘sport’. Sarah Palin guns down wolves (basically a dog, in fact more intelligent than a dog, and just as sentient) from helicopters for fun, and shows off about it. Most races hunt only for food. Whites for fun and for trophys.

    It is only whites, in this modern age, who will hunt with bows and arrows and shoot pigs and deer for the sadistic fun of it, when guns would do a quicker job. Whites put hooks through live fish and dangle them for hours, torturing them as ‘live’ bait and think nothing of it.

    Whites kill far more animals per capita for flesh consumption than Asians. In fact Japanese eat hardly any meat, and in fact banned the practice of meat eating before whites arrived in the 19th century. Whites do not have a culture or heritage of vegetarianism, which is common in the East.

    In fact my mother and a cousin do not eat meat, out of humanitarian reasons from buddhist beliefs.

    Hong Kong abounds with restaurants which only have ‘jaai’ (vegetables on the menu). And in fact many many Chinese own dogs, with growing affluence, and treat them better than the average white person treats his.

    After all how many Chinese (or Asians) in the West are prosecuted for animal cruelty –I would guess hardly any, probably less than whites.

    In the same way that Asians far less likely to rob you, murder you, rape you, than whites.

  61. Baz
    March 14th, 2012 at 19:02 | #61

    ” 90% of Chinese agree with “we have a moral duty to minimise suffering to animals”

    And yet no animal protection laws. Why the disconnect Wayne?

  62. Wayne
    March 14th, 2012 at 19:29 | #62

    Perhaps because you are comparing a developing country with a developed country which has had plenty of time to evolve these laws. And a country whose current polity has only a history of 60 years, much of that under embargo and threat of extinction. Unlike the West which has had centuries to develop, on the backs of non-white peoples the world over.

    Having said that, there should be animal protection laws.

  63. Baz
    March 14th, 2012 at 19:55 | #63

    Wayne, I never made a comparison. 5000 years, 60 years, either way it’s probably long enough for a country’s people to pass a law for something they clearly care so much about…
    Allen, I’m still waiting to hear what the “Chinese race” is? Please enlighten me.

  64. Wayne
    March 14th, 2012 at 20:56 | #64

    @Baz
    While it took thousands of years for even the first formal laws to be passed in Europe.

    The East has historically had far greater concern for non-human living beings than the West anyway.

    Western religions are highly anthropocentric.

    Of course in the east formal laws were not needed. Buddhism and other Eastern religions put animals on a much higher plane than Christianity. That is evidence enough that the East cares more for animals, historically, than the West. And a country like Japan, say, had strictures against killing animals for consumption right up until the 19th Century before they thought they should ‘catch up’ with the West and start eating red meat/

    So again, alluding to a previous article by Melektaus, China’s lack of laws in this regard does not necessarily reflect lack of concern about animal rights anymore than not codifying laws preventing discrimination of homosexuals means Chinese are homophobic.

    The fact that the West has had to codify laws likely shows that animal abuse, abuse of religious and ethnic minorities, general intolerance, was perhaps worse than anywhere else in the world.

    If Westerners were instinctually tolerant, they would not have required laws on tolerance. In fact the word ‘tolerance’ would probably hardly even be needed.

    Simply because a country has not codified laws on a particular issue, does not mean that country behaves badly on same issue.

    For example in societies where racism hardly ever existed, or was mild, there would be no need for laws on racial discrimination.

    In countries where race has always been a really big issue, and racism the most virulent, laws are required to restrain white racism.

  65. Wayne
    March 14th, 2012 at 20:59 | #65

    @Baz
    “Allen, I’m still waiting to hear what the “Chinese race” is?”

    I would not engage in a conversation with an out and out racist who describes black women as ‘jungle booty’

  66. March 14th, 2012 at 21:52 | #66

    Expanding on Wayne comment 66 above . . .

    > “And yet no animal protection laws.”

    Some idiot thinks because there is no law forbidding invading and killing foreigners, then it must be OK to invade and kill foreigners.

    Or the highest law of the land says everyone is equal. That was a true fine example of “law” vs. reality for how long? Martin Luther King, Jr. could have failed or assassinated sooner, and it would be hard to know where things stand even today.

  67. March 14th, 2012 at 23:04 | #67

    @Baz

    Allen, I’m still waiting to hear what the “Chinese race” is? Please enlighten me.

    I dunno.

    I was just paraphrasing the title in the daily mail: “Their economy might be booming, but are the Chinese the cruellest race on earth?”

    What do you think they meant?

  68. Rhan
    March 14th, 2012 at 23:19 | #68

    #69 is really a good one, i cant stop laughing 🙂

  69. March 14th, 2012 at 23:51 | #69

    2 things:
    Wayne, while you have made many good points, you have to look out for your temper. You are too easily provoked and prone to making undiplomatic comments. Never be baited into traps that show you to be “threatening”. It is enough to defend the Chinese race against collective defamation, but don’t generalise other races and fall into their erroneous ways of thinking.

    Having said that, “Baz” is a troll. He has not successfully substantiated any of his claims and his comments are mostly inflammatory, with no ability to expand the discussion constructively. There needs to be strategies to weed out trolls in Hidden Harmonies fast. I recommend the mods to look at the administrative policies of the Sino Defence Forum for some ideas.

  70. raffiaflower
    March 15th, 2012 at 00:08 | #70

    omg, Allen has a sense of humour, lol!! Well, the English were the cruelest race on earth, and not just for their crimes against humanity over 500 years of colonialism. They retained fox-hunting as a `sport’ until recently.
    With that ban, China would seem a cinch for the title, given the “new” passion of polar bear-hunting. But since the story is not true, the English can rest easy that they remain title-holders of being the most barbaric, hypocritical and unrepentant people on this planet.
    But note that the column is written not by a native Englishman, but a WOG! These are the worst types; usually brown or yellow on the outside, they desperately strive to prove their worth to their Western masters by being even more discriminating of their own. Some of his assertions should be good reason for British-born Chinese to file a complaint to the race discrimination board.

  71. Baz
    March 15th, 2012 at 00:40 | #71

    Why do i have to expound on what they may have meant, I don’t work for the Daily Mail?

    I never used the expression, as I think it’s idiotic and incorrect. Do you agree with me Allen?

  72. Baz
    March 15th, 2012 at 00:47 | #72

    Sigmar, please maybe you can tell me what the “Chinese race” is? Or maybe you were paraphrasing Allen who was paraphrasing the Daily Mail.

    Sounds like a case of Chinese whispers eh

    Hehehehe

    Raffi, you really think its OK to call someone a wog? Wow, you really are out of touch…

  73. March 15th, 2012 at 00:47 | #73

    @Baz
    Only a blind person or an idiot can’t see there’s something seriously wrong when a widely read newspaper/tabloid like the dailymail putting out articles titled “Are the English the most cruel race on earth?”

    In a sane and fair society, there would be an immediate outrage. If shit like that is somehow published in Xinhua or China Daily. I can assure you that the editor and the writer of the article would be forced to resign and the whole country condemning them. Any decent newspaper would immediately issue apologies.

    However, racists p.o.s would never get it. That’s the difference. Comprenda, amigo?

    And what’s with your anal obsession with the “Stan Abrams of China Hearsay – A Case of Pathological Bias?” Cat got your tongue?

  74. March 15th, 2012 at 00:50 | #74

    lol

  75. March 15th, 2012 at 00:53 | #75

    @Baz

    “Allen, I’m still waiting to hear what the “Chinese race” is?”

    Wrong party! You should direct this question to the dailymail since they are the one who brought up the issue of the “Chinese race”.

    If you want our opinion on similar topics. Don’t be lazy, we can’t spoon feed you.
    http://blog.hiddenharmonies.org/2011/07/on-chinese-language-dialects-and-chinese-people/

  76. Baz
    March 15th, 2012 at 01:03 | #76

    You guys have enough outrage to go around though right. I mean if the China Daily, Xinhua or any other Chinese rag wrote the same drivel, guess what? No one would care! Sad reality is that no one gives a shit what they say as most people think they have no credibility.

    You should view the Daily Mail in the same light…if you dont like it, ignore it. Easy.

  77. Baz
    March 15th, 2012 at 01:23 | #77

    “In a sane and fair society, there would be an immediate outrage.”

    So where is your outrage at Waynes sexist, racist and threatening comments?
    Where is your outrage at one of your fellow posters referring to someone as a wog right in this thread?

    And you expected others to be outraged at the things you care about?

  78. March 15th, 2012 at 01:56 | #78

    @Baz
    “I mean if the China Daily, Xinhua or any other Chinese rag wrote the same drivel, guess what?”

    Guess what? Sorry, but we don’t deal with guesswork here. We deal with facts. You can substantiate your arguments with guesswork and speculations, but people do care about credibility, here or in China or anywhere else in the world.

    “So where is your outrage at Waynes sexist, racist and threatening comments?”
    We have already criticised Wayne on a number of occasions. Likewise we have let him known when he’s actually contributing something significant to the discussion.

    Not our fault if you read selectively. Mods, I smell another “Haikun”-type troll.

  79. Baz
    March 15th, 2012 at 02:00 | #79

    ” If shit like that is somehow published in Xinhua or China Daily. I can assure you that the editor and the writer of the article would be forced to resign and the whole country condemning them. Any decent newspaper would immediately issue apologies.”

    Oh right we work on “assurances”!

    I assure you that you are wrong then.

  80. Baz
    March 15th, 2012 at 02:27 | #80

    Siggy, Im still waiting for your clarification on what you mean by the “Chinese race” Why is that so hard to answer?

  81. March 15th, 2012 at 02:38 | #81

    Bazzy, Ray has already clarified your doubts. Why is reading so hard for you?

  82. Baz
    March 15th, 2012 at 02:57 | #82

    Seems you are unable to spell it out for me. Surely it’s not that hard to explain things in a sentence or two. I’m curious, and this place is suppose to be a bridge to increase understanding.
    I mean you sent me a link in which you didnt even comment, and this is supposed to mean what? You can’t speak for yourself it seems.

    Don’t hide behind Ray, its not becoming of you.

  83. March 15th, 2012 at 04:52 | #83

    Seems you’re unable to read. Surely it’s not hard for you to read a sentence or two. The link was given to you to read and comment, which you have not done so, which means you’re not interested in bridging any understanding.

    Who’s hiding? You’ve asked for clarifications, you’ve been given a link for them. Read it, then comment. Don’t paint your laziness as my problem, it’s unbecoming of you.

  84. Baz
    March 15th, 2012 at 06:35 | #84

    You referred to the “Chinese race” on this thread, so Im asking you what you mean on this thread.

    Pretty simple I would’ve thought…I’m addressing the question you, who made this reference, right here where you made it.

    If you are unwilling to answer just say so. If you regret saying it just say so…

  85. March 15th, 2012 at 07:31 | #85

    Your query was answered with a directed link, which would give you what you claimed you wanted to find out if you bothered to check it out. Which you haven’t.

    I’ve pointed to you the source to your answer. It’s up to you to read. Pretty simple if you ask me.

    If you don’t bother to read just say so. If you regret making a wrong assertion just say so.

  86. colin
    March 15th, 2012 at 14:57 | #86

    Baz=Troll.

    Don’t feed the bears. Or trolls.

  87. melektaus
    March 15th, 2012 at 14:58 | #87

    Yeah, this baz chump is starting to spam the whole place.

  88. March 15th, 2012 at 15:04 | #88

    @Baz

    You referred to the “Chinese race” on this thread, so Im asking you what you mean on this thread.

    Pretty simple I would’ve thought…I’m addressing the question you, who made this reference, right here where you made it.

    If you are unwilling to answer just say so. If you regret saying it just say so…

    My answer was “I dunno.” I thought I already stated that in comment #67. Pretty simple. All it took was for you to read two words.

    Anyways, so I read the article linked, and I don’t like someone in a journal with large circulation calling “the Chinese the cruellest race on earth” on account of a rumor (that’s been proven to be false) that some rich Chinese businessmen went on a safari (that is legal by the way) to kill polar bears on hunts sponsored by the Inuit people.

    By “Chinese race,” maybe the author meant the citizens of the PRC and/or ROC, all people of Chinese descent, people who speak Chinese (but what is that?), people who are culturally or politically affiliated with China (but what does that really mean?).

    I don’t know – but it most likely includes someone like me – or the large majority of people who identify them as “Chinese.”

    But rather than speculating and putting things in the mouth of the author – I used the author’s term in comment #67 to give the reader the freedom to decide. (Maybe I should have put the terms in quotes. Ok – my bad. Sorry I forgot to use double quotes.)

    That to me was the best way to approach it. What would you recommend I do?

  89. March 15th, 2012 at 22:48 | #89

    @Allen
    You mean comment #67. In the quote that you used, Baz was challenging me to give him an answer, which I already did.

    Also, he’s a troll, there’s no need to waste your time trying to build bridges with him since he can’t be bothered to read. He’ll only derail the topic further.

  90. March 15th, 2012 at 23:08 | #90

    @Sigmar

    Fixed… and Understood! 😉

  91. jimmy
    March 18th, 2012 at 15:08 | #91

    The western media especially the UK media is fond of distorting facts and actual situations on the ground. Read http://www.scribd.com/doc/85867298 or http://www.scribd.com/doc/85659953 for more.

  92. Black Pheonix
    November 20th, 2013 at 08:24 | #92

    Related to the “polar bear hunting club” story, Americans are signing up for real safari hunts.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/18/lion-hunt-melissa-bachman-south-africa-photo_n_4297780.html

    More than 200,000 people have signed up for similar hunts.

    Wow, compare that to the supposedly “100” Chinese who paid an expat to go hunting.

    Daily Mail, who’s the “cruelest race on Earth” now??!!

  93. Charles Liu
    August 5th, 2015 at 11:50 | #93

    An update – Cecil the Lion in Africa, who is a symbol for endangered species, was illegally hunted:

    http://www.bing.com/search?q=Cecil+the+lion+dentist

    Please note neither the MN dentist who killed Cecil, nor the hunting guide he hired, is Chinese.

  94. Black Pheonix
    August 6th, 2015 at 09:06 | #94

    update and background on Safari Club International, the group that supposedly offered “Polar Bear hunting” packages to rich Chinese people:

    SCI is based in US, sponsors hunts on 6 continents and over 50 countries. SCI receives annual membership fee of $3 million. At about $100-200 per member, that’s over 15,000 members.

    In 2005-2006, SCI successfully lobbied US Congress to amend the IRS tax code to allow hunters to claim tax deduction on market value of “hunt trophies” or taxidermy. This arguably increased incentives for rich Americans to hunt more rare animals, as the rare hunt trophies would increase tax deductions, offsetting the cost of any entire hunting trip.

    This would also arguably make the US government a “state sponsor” of international trophy hunting.

    In 2007, SCI successfully lobbied NY state to earmark $50,000 in public funds for SCI, purpose unspecified, making NY state a “state sponsor” of international trophy hunting.

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