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The Wolf and The “Ginger Wave”, FBI, Source Codes, and the Ballad

Once upon a time, there was a Chinese Ph.D. student named “Ginger Wave”, (Bo Jiang) 姜波, who upon graduation got a nice job working for a NASA contractor.

How did he get a job with a NASA contractor, even when he was a Chinese citizen?  Who knows, but Ginger Wave didn’t lie, Ginger Wave didn’t care.  The US government knew about him, there was no lie to tell, Ginger Wave did nothing wrong.

So Ginger Wave worked and worked.  NASA had public database of work.  Space was not classified.  No military secrets out there.

Until one day, a whistle blower came unnamed unclaimed unimaginably lamed claimed Ginger Wave didn’t belong in the cubicles writing source codes, because the source codes were “secret”, that being “secrets” that Ginger Wave wrote down by himself.

A Wolf heard the Whistle blown by the Unnamed unclaimed lame Whistle Blower, and Whistled into the wild, baring teeth and bristling hair.

“A Ginger Wave cannot write down secret source codes, whatever the Ginger Wave wrote down is our secret, and the Ginger Wave stole our secret by writing them down when he was in China on vacation.”

So Ginger Wave lost his job, and couldn’t write any more codes.  Months went by, Ginger Wave’s visa was expiring, and had to go home.

FBI came to stop him at the airport.

“Ginger Wave, you cannot go.  We don’t know what secrets you have or have not wrote.  Do you have electronic media?”

Ginger Wave thought and replied:  “Let me see, while you hold me up by my flight, I have a laptop.  Yes, I do.”

FBI brought down the luggage, “Ginger Wave, you didn’t say you had a second laptop, a hard drive, and a SIM card.  You are under arrest for lying to us.”

Ginger Wave protested:  “How did I lie to you?”

FBI quoted, “under US Code Section 1001 Title 18, Ginger Wave, omission of facts material is concealment and lying to law enforcement.”

Ginger Wave was sad, for he was no lawyer and had no answers.

For what Ginger Wave did not know is that, omission is only concealment if the government can prove that Ginger Wave had a duty to disclose the omitted information.

For Ginger Wave lost his job, Ginger Wave was not under arrest, Ginger Wave was completely free to leave US and go back to China.

What “duty to disclose” did Ginger Wave have?

Ginger Wave got a lawyer to claim it was a “witch hunt”, for Ginger Wave being either a Ginger or a Wave.

The Wolf does not like Ginger nor any Waves, for one made him itch and other made him sea sick.

For what possible wrong or lie did Ginger Wave do harm?

It has been months since the Unnamed unclaimed lame Whistle Blower blew the Whistle, the Wolf heard the Whistle blown and Whistled into the Wild, and Ginger Wave lost his job of writing down source codes that himself supposedly should not have written down.

NASA closed the public database, and shut its doors to the Whistling blower and the Whistling Wolf.

If there were wrongs, Ginger Wave has seen none.

His friends rallied to sing Ginger Wave’s tale.

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  1. Zack
    March 25th, 2013 at 18:14 | #1

    absolutely disgusting; the paranoia of the American establishment is hilariously self defeating. i’ll bet the people who nabbed Bo Jiang thought they were scoring one for Demoracy and Human Rights and all that BS.

  2. colin
    March 26th, 2013 at 09:56 | #3

    Agreed, disgusting. I looked up frank wolf. Is he not the picture of evil? This guy is one of the worst of the insane end of the GOP. Deeply hateful of chinese, full unwavering supporter of bush policies, christian fanatic, etc. In china, he said told the press that the chinese eat fetuses.

    While the west espouse individual rights, they bely their true character when they so easily throw individuals like Bo and Ye Shiwen and Wen Ho Lee under the bus for their own agendas.

    But this is another case of americans shooting themselves in the foot. How many brilliant foreign researchers are going to want to work for Nasa now? The American decline continues, willingly.

  3. Charles Liu
    March 26th, 2013 at 13:19 | #4

    Remember Wen Ho Lee who was falsely accused and detained? Remember Chi Mak? Who is rotting in jail with a 24.5 year sentence, for having public domain IEEE presentations he wrote?

    This is yet another witch hunt:


    According to Bo Jiang’s friends, Jiang went to NAI with his PhD advisor (Jiang probably was a principle in the research). Jiang’s employment contract ended last year when his boss died in a car crash. Without valid visa to stay in US he was going home before start another job in Europe later this year.

    This was turned into the inflammatory “fleeing” and “one-way ticket” trigger phrases by our biased media to make Wolf’s espionage narrative stick.

    In Wolf’s latest speech, Jiang was pretty much pronounced guilty. Whatever happened to due process, presumption of innocence?

  4. Charles Liu
    March 26th, 2013 at 16:08 | #5

    Rep. Wolf is correct on one thing, Chinese people should not work for US government. Look at this case against Sixing Liu:


    This guy got 5 years for ITAR violation. The indictment never mentioned if any sensitive document were actually access on the laptop he brought to China was even accessed, nor if any data was given to Chinese government.

    Even the fact he visited his alma marter was evidence against him. And lack of any money exchanging hands, the prosecution accused him of being guilty of seeking accolade from China.

  5. Zack
    March 26th, 2013 at 17:58 | #6

    how about a civil action law suit allied with the ACLU against the anti Chinese racism of the United States Government?
    make that a seperate indictment against Wolf and Rohrbacher as well.

  6. March 27th, 2013 at 05:11 | #7

    These are massive human rights violations that go back to the 50s against the Chinese in America. The rightwing yellowperil scumbags like wolf and rohrbacher are constant threat to the dignity and well being of every Chinese person in the US. They are also literally a threat to world peace.

  7. Black Pheonix
    March 27th, 2013 at 06:31 | #8

    Update: A grand jury in Norfolk Virginia handed down indictment for Bo Jiang, and he pleaded not guilty, with his friends in the court room as his lawyer Fernando Groene entered the plead.

    His lawyer, a former Assistant US Prosecutor, made a statement for the media that the case is a “witch hunt”, and implied that Congressman Wolf is attempting to try Bo Jiang in the court of media opinion.

    In all honesty, Chinese people can’t expect much justice in US courts, which relies on “jury of peers.”

    Honestly, if a Chinese person lands in a US court as either a victim or an accused, how many on the jury would be his “peers” who understand his situation?

    How many of those guys on the Norfolk grand jury ever flown to China (or outside of US), or did any academic presentation, or got searched by border agents without arrest warrants?

    I’m not even going to accuse any kind of “racism” in courtroom, but look at the simple facts:

    A mostly white jury in Detroit acquitted the killers of Vincent Chin of murder.
    A mostly white jury in LA acquitted the Cops who beat up Rodney King.

    Asians are what? 1% of US population.

    Are Chinese really going to get a “jury of peers”? Not a snowball chance in Hell.

    The minute a Chinese guy walks into a trial of jury, the deck of jury is stacked against him.

    *Best case, don’t get into these situations. You won’t win.

    I understand that some Chinese scientists and engineers may not have much of choice in their careers. Bo Jiang probably thought that he was lucky to find a job with his old boss at the University to work with NASA.

    And practically, I think NASA did not skirt any “export control” rules. Bo Jiang’s project was likely just some high level GENERAL research project, with no specific goals. It’s highly unlikely that NASA would allow a non-US citizen to work on any thing specific like for example, a camera for a satellite.

    Specific NASA projects generally require specific clearances to be granted, even for contractors.

    General research projects generally don’t need as much “export control”, because they don’t know what the actual RESULT will be.

    For example, NASA could have a general project that says, Survey all the new theories of computer imagining, and test which one may be promising. They won’t know what the RESULT will be until it’s actually done, so they can’t actually classify any thing. (Every thing would likely be sensitive and confidential, but that’s pretty much for all information produced in Federal Government).

    And the word “secret” doesn’t mean any thing in FBI’s arrest warrant and indictment of Bo Jiang. If I was Bo’s lawyer, I would question the validity of the Indictment based on such a vague word.

    Do they mean “secret level” clearance on the information in Bo’s computer? Obviously not, they haven’t found any thing yet, and Bo was unlikely to have access to “secret level” clearance information.

    Then, what does “secret” mean?? Who said it was “secret”?? Which government agency classified it as such?

    Because I’m pretty sure that it’s not illegal to take merely “confidential” level material into China without prior approval. That’s done all the time by US government workers.

  8. Black Pheonix
    March 27th, 2013 at 08:41 | #9

    On a further note:

    If NASA was lax on its “export control” policies, and somehow gave free access to “secrets” to foreign citizens like Bo Jiang, how is it any of Bo Jiang’s responsibility??

    Bo Jiang, a foreign citizen unfamiliar with the US security protocols, is to be blamed for lax security at US government’s own agencies?

    So, the question is, did NASA require Bo to keep “secrets”? What were the procedures that Bo was required to follow? Which procedure did Bo violate?

    If Bo did not violate any procedures specified by his employment contract, then he cannot be guilty of criminal conduct.

    We know at least that Bo was not terminated from NASA for any “performance issues”. I.E. he did not violate any terms of his employment contract.

    That would also mean that he did not violate any performance relating to confidentiality in his employment. (That’s over several years of contract with NASA).

    Then, how can there be any criminal violation for even mishandling confidential material, if his employer did not find fault in his employment performance?

    *Bottomline: If NASA mistakenly released material to Bo (that they should not have), that’s NASA’s problem.

    Bo have no intent to mishandle any secrets, if he didn’t even know they were “secrets” and there were no special handling procedures. Bo can only assume that NASA in giving any information to him, that he was free to access them.

    And as they say in Criminal law, you can’t convict someone of a crime, if he did not have the requisite “criminal intent”, (mens rea for you legal latin fans).

  9. Charles Liu
    March 27th, 2013 at 16:24 | #10

    With this kind of malicious prosecutions, the overseas Chinese scientific community invariably would think twice about US federal government employment. Who would want their ideas and original research exploited and effectively nationalized, held hostage and punished surreptitiously?

    At the same time this is an opportunity for the Chinese government to welcome and repatriate brain power and expand it’s own research and knowledge capabilities.

    Only loser here is xenophoic American mentality of fear, suspicion, and hatred.

  10. N.M.Cheung
    March 28th, 2013 at 05:39 | #11

    Remember when the father of Chinese rocket science ( can’t remember his English name) in early 1950s wanted to return to China he was held for hostage for 2 years before allowed to depart. These types of trump up charges will only expose the bankruptcy of using visa and money to attract talents to U.S..

  11. JJ
    March 28th, 2013 at 07:27 | #12


    Hsue-Shen Tsien. He was also one of the founders of JPL!


  12. March 28th, 2013 at 09:09 | #13

    Looking on the bright side, if by chance the jury looks past his ethnicity & actually finds him not guilty, then at least he’ll be on the radar of China’s space program; he’ll at least have a job back home. Qian Xuesen II? 🙂

    If public opinion is any indicator of the jury, it seems like most of the comments posted on news stories about him are actually fairly sympathetic.


  13. March 28th, 2013 at 09:23 | #14

    @Charles Liu

    Since Americans do not want their ethnic Chinese fellow citizens to work in the fields of cutting-edge science, I would encourage any ethnic Chinese seeking employment in the US to be come investment bankers, traders, or real-estate and currency speculators. We all know how much these professions contribute to American society. >;-D

  14. Zack
    March 29th, 2013 at 05:22 | #15

    there has got to be some sort of payback against ppl like Wolf and Rohrbacher, who maliciously demonise China either for personal reasons or for money from lobbyists.
    Perhaps well heeled backers ought to sponsor candidates for their electoral seats, or dig up so much dirt that their credibility is worth even less than the shit that they are now.

  15. Black Pheonix
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:40 | #16

    BTW, 1 book that came to my attention recently: http://www.amazon.com/Smuggler-Nation-Illicit-Trade-America/dp/0199746885

    about the origin and continual history of American piracy, in all manners of illicit trades.

    The author was interviewed on NPR, and talked about some interesting points.

    US actually engaged in vast amount of intellectual property espionage against Britain in the early days, which also imposed a kind of “export control” on the high tech of its days.

    How did US do it? By literally “stealing” people from England, (which now US called it “attracting immigrant talents”).

    So, really, it didn’t stop.

    US is still the biggest IP pirate in the world, because it is “brain draining” other nations still, and depending on “stolen” immigrant talents to advance its technology.

    Bo’s case is even more extreme.

    NASA hired him, they won’t let him stay, but now they won’t even let him leave (so they want to lock him up instead).

    US basically used him and now want to toss him in jail to prevent him being used by others.

    I think China should impose some kind of “talent migration ban” against US, more than what Britain imposed back then.

  16. Black Pheonix
    March 29th, 2013 at 13:11 | #17

    1 bit of smuggling history in US was that before the Civil War, US had actually banned the importation of slaves. But because slavery (as in ownership of slaves) was still legal in the South, this prompted a rise in smuggling of slaves in trade.

    This was another historical example of an illicit trade generated by the “demand” side. This problem didn’t end, until the “Demand” was also banned after the Civil War.

    Applicable to today’s counterfeit trade (which many have accused China of insufficient enforcement), I also point to the “Demand” side problem: It’s actually LEGAL for Americans to go to China and bring back counterfeit goods, albeit in small quantities (according to US Custom’s own rules).

    Rationally, there is no solution unless the “Demand” side of the problem is first solved. China cannot be reasonably expected to expend its own resources to solve a problem created by the “DEMAND” side problem in US.

  17. Black Pheonix
    April 1st, 2013 at 09:56 | #18

    UPDATES on Bo Jiang’s case:


    Bo Jiang Released Pending Trial
    By Keith Cowing on March 28, 2013 8:15 PM. 10 Comments
    Chinese ex-NASA worker to be released pending trial

    “At a detention hearing today, U.S. Magistrate Judge Lawrence Leonard ordered Jiang released after a federal prosecutor acknowledged there is no evidence so far that he was in possession of any sensitive, secret or classified material. Jiang will be under supervision of the federal probation office, will be prohibited from traveling outside the Eastern District of Virginia, and will be tracked by an electronic monitoring system. He has surrendered his passport.”

    Ex-NASA Langley contractor released on bond, Daily Press

    “Jiang’s court-appointed attorney, Fernando Groene, said that Jiang didn’t have access to sensitive or classified information when he worked at NIA. Groene says that Jiang did violate NASA’s policy by taking the equipment out the country, but there was nothing classified on the laptop or hard drive. “NASA has looked at the computer up and down and can’t find any information that violates the export control act,” Groene said.”

    Former NASA Langley Research Center pleads not guilty to lying, judge OKs release on bond, Washington Post

    “Groene has suggested that Jiang is only in jail and under investigation because U.S. Rep. Frank Wolf, R-Va., has inferred that Jiang may be a spy. Wolf has targeted Jiang in news conferences and congressional hearings about NASA security, saying the space agency is using contractors to get around rules prohibiting citizens of certain countries from working for NASA.”

    Bo Jiang To Plead Not Guilty; Will Ask For Jury Trial, earlier post


    BTW, mishandling a laptop with no classified data on it? Not a crime. At most a breach of employment contract, (which has already ended for Bo Jiang).

    Looks like FBI’s case has pretty much fallen apart, on arrival. The prosecutor can’t find any evidence of crime.

    Yeah, “witch hunt” indeed.

  18. Zack
    April 1st, 2013 at 22:27 | #19

    i would hope that Bo Jiang’s team or his supporters get the ACLU on their side to take down Wolf over harassment.

  19. Black Pheonix
    April 2nd, 2013 at 06:45 | #20

    Unfortunately, government guys like Wolf and the FBI are immune to lawsuits generally, because they have huge discretions.

    Best Bo can hope for is some civil damages for malicious prosecution (and perhaps free plane ticket back home).

    (I mean, come on, the prosecutor admitted that they have no evidence so far, then on what grounds did the Grand Jury indict Bo? Just total hearsay?)

    I would like to take a whack at that civil case for Bo, since I am barred in the Eastern District of Virginia (where Bo is being tried), but I might not have the time. Perhaps Allan can take the case (and I can help out).


  20. Black Pheonix
    April 2nd, 2013 at 07:47 | #21

    In the spirit of funny names:

    I would coin what happened to Bo Jiang as a case of

    the “SIM card Application for Maximum Security Overstay US Greencard”:

    For the price of a single SIM card (and a refundable one way airplane ticket), you too can have your visa turned permanently into a US Greencard with Maximum Personal security behind a Federal “home”.

    *All Chinese government might offer a potential US spy is “tea”.


  21. Zack
    April 2nd, 2013 at 16:37 | #22

    lol, perhaps Rep.Wolf can also add another title to his name: resident immigrant fixer for those wanting to stay in the United States, courtesy of the US taxpayer:P

  22. DalianPaul
    April 11th, 2013 at 00:49 | #23

    I certainly cannot support extremists such as Wolf. However, what I find odd is that in every case highlighted here there is an assumption that the accused IS innocent (different to presumption of innocence) simply because he/she is Chinese. Isn’t that a form of discrimination in and of itself?

  23. April 11th, 2013 at 01:28 | #24

    No, in this instance, it is the presumption of innocence that is what’s important and not innocence per se. Those like Wolf and the media seems to be treating him as already guilty and as further evidence of pernicious Chinese cunning when in fact there is no a shred of evidence so far presented to suggest he is guilty and given the history of false accusations directed at Chinese Americans (There’s only two ethnic Chinese AMericans that have ever been convicted in US history of espionage and yet many dozens have been falsely accused over the years by law enforcement, politicians and the media) it is not an unreasonable objection.

  24. Black Pheonix
    April 11th, 2013 at 14:09 | #25


    “Innocent until proven guilty”, isn’t it in US law?

    But let’s take the prosecutor’s own words, “a federal prosecutor acknowledged there is no evidence so far that he was in possession of any sensitive, secret or classified material.

    OK, so on what basis was he detained and prevented from going home? (When US immigration law required him to GO HOME)?

    My assumption is based on the flimsiness (and non-existence) of evidence against him.

    It’s better than the Prosecutor’s assumption, based on a SIM card (of 128 Kbytes of space), unless you consider “space” to be SECRET.

  25. Charles Liu
    April 23rd, 2013 at 11:07 | #26

    Prosecutor also admitted they have found no evidence he had classified information:

    “prosecutor acknowledged there is no evidence so far that he was in possession of any sensitive, secret or classified material.”

    Bo Jiang was released on bail but prosecution reversed the bail decision on appeal:


  26. April 24th, 2013 at 02:47 | #27

    Zack :
    i would hope that Bo Jiang’s team or his supporters get the ACLU on their side to take down Wolf over harassment.

    I hope Bo Jiang doesn’t do anything after he gets off, except go back to China, get recruited straight into the Chinese space program, and become the next Qian Xuesen. That would be the ultimate ‘fuck you’ to this regime. What a satisfying outcome that would be.

  27. Black Pheonix
    April 24th, 2013 at 07:43 | #28

    @Mister Unknown

    Bo Jiang may not have much of a choice after.

    Even if he is acquitted and released, the US government has effectively left a black mark on his resume and reputation.

    His job in Europe will most likely be rescinded. Companies in the West in general would not likely want to hire him.

    Unfortunately, I don’t think his skills are that high that the Chinese government would want to hire him, except for publicity purposes. (It’s not really like he was working on some secret military project).

  28. Charles Liu
    April 24th, 2013 at 10:10 | #29

    @Black Pheonix

    Let’s face it, Jiang is a foreigner and he has no rights in America. Best not fight the US government.

  29. jason
    May 2nd, 2013 at 15:58 | #30

    U.S. Finds Porn Not Secrets on Suspected China Spy’s PC: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-01/chinese-nasa-spy-suspect-to-plead-to-computer-rule-charge.html

    Who thinks that the US government put porn in Bo Jiang’s computer as a desperate attempt on their witch hunt?

  30. Charles Liu
    May 3rd, 2013 at 14:29 | #31

    So basically no lying to investigator charge, no espionage charge, no mishandling of sensitive material (other than his own 8-)?

    Well done America. Basically Bo Jiang got raked over the coals for nothing. But Representative Wolf did stop Jiang from illegally exporting our porn, which is the best in the world (so I’ve heard…)

  31. Zack
    May 3rd, 2013 at 18:49 | #32

    man does Wolf look like a stupid sack of turd, this ought to be played up so that Wolf and his cronies learn that they can’t abuse Chinese people with impunity

  32. Black Pheonix
    May 7th, 2013 at 13:14 | #33

    some other “whistleblowers” in NASA are undoubtedly downloading US Porn, and mishandling them.

    Congressman Frank Wolf will be happy to receive some/LOTS of “whistleblowing” emails from the public about all such activities.


  33. Black Pheonix
    May 7th, 2013 at 13:24 | #34


    I kinda figured that they would find something to publicly humiliate him, just for kicks.

    After all that, a misdemeanor for “illegal downloading”?

    Maybe they can dig harder, spend some more of US tax payers’ money and find a surveillance video of Bo Jiang jaywalking somewhere, and stick a stiffer fine on him too?

    Yeah, Bo’s career is pretty much over. Nobody in the West will want to hire him now. He best just go back to China and go work for the government somewhere.

    Yeah, US government is quite vindictive and paranoid.

    But talk about over kill in making a point.

  34. Black Pheonix
    May 8th, 2013 at 14:36 | #35

    Speaking of “Illegal downloading” (in light “IP piracy” often accused of China and Chinese people):

    At the end of 2012, some BitTorrent sites did some analysis of their download traffic, and turned up some interesting finds about WHO is doing the downloading:



    Those “pirating” movies and games included, employees at Paramount Pictures, Warner Bros., Disney, Sony Pictures, 20th Century Fox, Universal Music, Sony Music, and Warner Music.

    Worst of all: Employees at

    the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Justice, the U.S. House of Representatives and at various European Parliaments

    Apparently, those at U.S. House of Representatives (Congress) enjoy soft-porn shows like “Game of Thrones”.

    *Of course, these stories are getting zero attention in the Western media, NOR from any politicians (when they are not busy tweeting pictures of their private parts or soliciting “wide-stand” encounters in the airport bathrooms).

    Now, these kinds of stories, they don’t want to discuss or investigate, even if no “whistle-blowing” is needed.

  35. Charles Liu
    May 8th, 2013 at 15:07 | #36

    Maybe voters in Frank Wolf’s district should alert him of this. As to sticking it Bo Jiang, I’m not so sure it’s for spite. IMHO it has more to do with limiting damange and our self-selecting of narrative.

    If Jiang walks without any charge, that leaves room for him to seek damage under malicious prosecution. So something has to taint him, and nothing works better than sex shame in a puritian protestant nation like America (recalling what happened to Iraq war whistle blower Scott Ritter and WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange.)

    Eventhou the pirated porn was completely irrelevant to what the FBI was investigating (espionate, stealing classified NASA information) and therefore should be excluded from the search, Jinag is unlikely to challenge the US government on this, especially when “plea to time served and you’re free in 48 hours” is dangled in front of his court appointed lawyer.

  36. Black Pheonix
    May 9th, 2013 at 06:20 | #37

    @Charles Liu

    I would think it’s rather spiteful to slap someone with sleaze filled charges, just to cover one’s own political ass and career.

    I mean, what did Bo ever do to the US government? (other than actually work for them in research)?

    It’s like the Justice Department has turned into some steroid filled version of the “Mean Girls”, out to destroy someone else’s reputation just because they don’t like the way someone looks.

    Going after Scott Ritter and Julian Assange, understandable in the logic of “an eye for an eye, you cause trouble for me, I cause trouble for you.”

    Going after Bo, with no particular reason, that’s the very definition of “spite”.

    Sure, their own egos may be on the line, but it’s not going to be satisfied much by going after some powerless schmuck.

    It’s spite, it’s a pure power trip.

  37. Charles Liu
    May 10th, 2013 at 09:40 | #38

    @Black Pheonix

    Sure, some power trip is involved. I’d say it’s Rep. Frank Wolf. Imagine what kind of congressional hearing NASA or DOJ would get from him if they let Bo Jiang walk scot-free.

  38. Black Pheonix
    May 10th, 2013 at 11:01 | #39

    You know, seriously, to follow the spirit of James Fallows in his article titled “How China makes me into a Worse Person”, Bo Jiang should perhaps write a similar article and blame every thing on America.

    Afterall, he could write about how he picked up his illegal downloading habits from his American coworkers at the US government (which I have posted the evidence for).

    Hell, Bo Jiang should turn on that “whistle blower” who turned on him.

    Bo Jiang should cooperate with the FBI and tell them about ALL of the ILLEGAL downloading going on in NASA!

    Bo should stand up for his rights to snitch (at least he would actually be telling a truth instead of some made up BS).

    In fact, on the chance that the FBI doesn’t want to hear about it, Bo Jiang should sell his story about the ILLEGAL downloading at the US government to the media.

    That should at least help pay for his troubles!

  39. Black Pheonix
    May 10th, 2013 at 11:57 | #40


    Bo was given 48 hours to leave US, after a quick exoneration of most charges.

    Why such a hurry?

  40. colin
    May 12th, 2013 at 11:15 | #41

    Haha good for him, despite his trials. This whole affair borders on the surreal. Much appreciation for the posters and commenters on this site laying out the facts and developments, when no one else would. So much for free media again, eh?

  41. colin
    May 12th, 2013 at 11:22 | #42

    And as if my magic, terabytes of computer disk space become newly empty as PHD’s all over Nasa facilities bid fairwell to their porno collections and hit the delete button.

  42. Zack
    May 14th, 2013 at 00:07 | #43

    @Black Pheonix
    hehe seems wolf decided it would’ve been politically embarrassing for himself rather than the political hay he could’ve had.
    still, why does Bo have to leave the US? why is he being deported? it’s not a crime to have porn on your hard drive else most americans would be in prison (and yes that reference was on purpose since ironically the US imprisons the most people in the world per capita and in total)

  43. Black Pheonix
    May 14th, 2013 at 05:44 | #44


    Why is he being deported?

    It’s just the US government getting the last word in.

    Instead of being perhaps a little more honorable (like the Judge in Wen Ho Lee case, who apologized to Wen Ho Lee), the Judge in this case decides that since the Feds didn’t have the evidence to stick it to Bo, he would pour some salt on the wound.

    Oh, Bo got arrested and put through the legal grind machine over nothing but porn, Well, that’s just too bad. So long Bo, Leave the country in 2 days, and don’t come back (Otherwise, I’ll put you in jail again for violating my “order”).

    Way to stick it to the little guy. (But that’s how Democracy works. The powerful has more freedom, AND MORE WAYS to screw the little guy).

  44. Zack
    May 14th, 2013 at 07:06 | #45

    @Black Pheonix
    Bo should fight it and on that note, all his colleagues ought to be banding around his side, both american and Chinese and letting Congress know that they can’t go around treating scientists like that.

  45. pug_ster
    May 14th, 2013 at 22:28 | #46

    While the FBI always catch the wrong spies, it seems America does alot of spying of its own and got caught red-handed.


  46. Zack
    May 15th, 2013 at 02:33 | #47

    kinda makes you wonder why the American MSM and USG make such a big deal over alleged Chinese cracking when it’s glaringly obvious that the US is the one that mounts espionage against pretty much everyone. Even their allies; Australia itself has been spied upon even with loyal and willing satraps amongst the Australian populace and Elite.

  47. Black Pheonix
    May 15th, 2013 at 06:11 | #48


    Feds also spied (secretly) on emails of AP journalists to try to find sources of leaks who exposed CIA’s political operations to gain positive news for the US government.

    Plus, this guy caught in Russia was carrying MILLIONS of dollars in cash?!

    Man, these guys really have way too much power for people who don’t jack sh*t!

  48. Black Pheonix
    May 15th, 2013 at 11:25 | #49


    I find it curious that the CIA would try to pay that high amount of money to recruit a Russian Agent who specialized in the Caucus region.

    I speculate that the CIA is trying to get some information from the Russian side that would give some credence to the theory that Russia withheld information from the US about the Boston Bombers, in an attempt to shift the blame of the Boston bombing partially onto the Russian Government.

  49. Zack
    May 16th, 2013 at 05:25 | #50

    doesn’t this whole case just illustrate how corrupt the US Congress and political establishment really is? Sure Bo got a fair trial in the sense that the prosecution admitted they didn’t have a case, but Senator Wolf interfered with justice and the legal system enough to demonstrate that none of that matters if you have a US Senator willing to throw all of the resources of the USG into saving his own damn political skin.

    i suggest we start an online petition to demand Senator Wolf’s impeachment, perhaps do some dirt digging; as a senator, he’s sure to have a few skeletons in his closet.

  50. Black Pheonix
    May 16th, 2013 at 11:54 | #51


    I said this before, there is plenty of abuses and “corruption” in Western “Democracy”, because the systems are set up with too much “discretionary authority”, for systems are that supposed to be “checked” and “balanced” by the voters.

    “Discretionary authorities” carve out by politicians like Wolf stand for every thing anti-Democratic.

    While the US government is become more and more powerful, imposing more and more rules restricting Freedom, Politicians in US are getting more and more “discretionary authorities”.

    This balance is doubly shifted away from Democracy and Freedom.

  51. pug_ster
    May 17th, 2013 at 23:58 | #52



    Funny thing is that Brian Fogle is not the first person who got caught. There was another CIA agent who got caught red handed in January but not made public and didn’t made it public then.

  52. Black Pheonix
    December 2nd, 2013 at 06:35 | #53

    History repeating? Chinese Canadian arrested under nebulous circumstances.


    “Mr. Huang did not have security clearance and was therefore not involved in any approvals of AOPS and did not have direct access to information on AOPS,” said Lloyd’s Register spokesman Mark Stokes in a written statement.”

    * So how did he get access on the “information”, and what “information” is it specifically?

    The Canadian police said it was “procurement strategy”. What the F does that mean?

  53. Black Pheonix
    December 17th, 2013 at 15:03 | #54

    Jesus answered my prayer! (by making Wolf go away from public office. except for the load of self-righteous bullsh*t on the way out).


    “As a follower of Jesus, I am called to work for justice and reconciliation, and to be an advocate for those who cannot speak for themselves,” he said. “I plan to focus my future work on human rights and religious freedom – both domestic and international – as well as matters of the culture and the American family.”

    *Hey Wolfie, I’m sure Ginger Wave can use some “reconciliation” and “human rights” from you. NOT!

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